Question RE: force positions on CDG

[Doc]

I ran the CV with the same exact setting except I changed from force positions to do not force postions. The results were a little confusing and I am now not sure which way to use it. The big differences are the values. I do a draft so that part does not really affect me but if I rank them by values it might. For example the catchers. All the catchers went up in "value" as I expect they should since in an auction all every player will has to be at least $1. But, martienz went up from $25 to $29, ok. The 2nd tier of guys went from $14 to $20, Ok. But a guy like paulino went from -$11 to $6 (17th catcher) There are other differences that I really can't explain. When force postions c.jackson and Laroche both $8 , when you don't force Jackson goes to $13 and laroche only to $9. I don't think an in depth explanation of this would really help me, but I was wondering how best to use this and what does it mean to me as a straight drafter? thanks

[RobR]

When you force positions, you require that the correct number of players at each position have positive value. That means you must allocate positive value to a bunch of guys who were negative beforehand. Shallow positions (like C in a league that requires 2 on each roster) will experience large valuation changes because there are plenty of 5th OF's, CI's, DH's, Micah Owings, etc. who would otherwise be above them.

In general, I like to look at it both ways. I want output without force poistions so I can target the positive value players at shallow positions. I want with force positions so I know which valuable OF's, CI's, etc. should fall off the chart because everyone must honor roster restrictions.

[Doc]

Because I tend to not draft any pitchers until late in the draft. I really don't think I will end up with any hitters at the low end of the pool. So would it make sense for me to not force positons to get an idea of a players "more true worth"?

[circle360]

[quote=RobR@HQ;325815]In general, I like to look at it both ways [quote]


Rob - I had a lil chuckle at that line. lol

[Herb Scoresheet]

I just did the same thing as Doc and got seom really wacky values. When I used the "force position" option Bengie Molina became the second most valuable player in the major leagues (after Pujols) at $65! Jason Bartlett was the third most valuable at $60! When I unchecked the "force position" box the list looks much more reasonable and both Molina and Bartlett had $1 valuations. That can't be right, can it??

[RAY@HQ]

Richard, sounds like you're using some screwy categories, please post all of your settings.

[Herb Scoresheet]

I've been playing with it and it looks like Hitting Ks are the culprit - when I remove those then things return to normal. To answer your question, we use seven offensive categories: R, 2B, HR, RBI, SB, OPB & Ks. [Sorry - edited to add 10 teams, AL/NL, 3 OF and 1 each C,1B,2B,3B,SS,UTIL + 4 Bench.]

Richard

[RAY@HQ]

Yeah, hitting K's in a category league (as opposed to points based) can really skew things. Try giving that category a lower weight, or removing altogether.