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  • RKade
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    M. Young

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  • RKade
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    Well, the reason I don't have as many SP is because while yes they can get 10 pts per win, they also get docked with losses. Plus, they don't pitch as much, unlike playing better every day players that have more value.
    I was also shocked that Helton lasted that long. I think it had something to do with yahoo's ranking him so much lower so for the people who didn't alter their pre-ranking list, they simply was caught up in the excitement and failed to see him. I took a gamble there and it paid off. Posting first round results in a minute.

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  • smithtownguy
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    I think in a few weeks you'll wish you had some more SP... although I'm not sure what you would have given up. I've never actually seen Helton drop past the 10th pick in a points league in my life. Who did you have projected higher than him? Also, could you post the first round results?

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  • RKade
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    It's a next day lineup change. Not h2h but a points league.

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  • smithtownguy
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    Hey, is it a H2H league? If so, do you set the lineups daily or weekly?

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  • RKade
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    Thanks for the input

    I've learned a few things:
    1. Never draft in a league that most are from the opposite coast (I live on East and many were on the West). I was completely worn out a few hours into the draft.
    2. I am not a big fan of points league, simply pick the best player who will provide the most points and move on. Not too much fun in my opinion.

    To answer an earier question, while I was not able to factor every cat, I was able to take care of the majority of them and the highest points cats and pitchers were WAY much lower than batters. Yes, you can get 10 points per win but only a handful of pitchers reach 20 wins and there's a nice doc off of Losses.

    I made a few mistakes and especially toward the later part of the draft where I couldn't even think but here are my picks, in order, and I drafted 15th out of 20 teams, I used the player projection with PTS as a category that accumulated just about all the cats, here's what happened:


    1. Michael Young -- I debated on taking Miggy here but I just love this kid, really no weakness. Todd Helton was the best player available according to my list but like many rounds, I was able to see what Yahoo had as their highest rated player left and Young would definitely not been there in the early second round. Helton is way down yahoo's list so I took a slight gamble.

    2. Todd Helton -- Was very happy here! He was a top 10 player on the projection sheet.

    3. Morgan Ensberg -- while some "sexier" names were still on the board, Howard stood out, I really liked Ensberg at this spot, late in the 3rd round. The only other player that was ranked higher was Barry Bonds who I decided I could take a chance and draft him early 4th round....I was wrong and was drafted three spots before me with my next pick..

    4. KROD -- I LOVE this guy, strong K's and should be dominate again. I was a bit bummed out with Bonds getting snatched up before me and once Mariano Rivera was drafted two spots before my pic, I had KROD as a top 5 OVERALL pitcher. Many SP had been drafted by this point who fell much lower on my points projection. Did Rodriguez rank higher than some batters still left on the board? no. Did I feel a bit hesitant to snatch him up? Yes, but I really wanted a high K type pitcher who wasn't going to give me a chalk full of Losses in the process and he seemed like the logical choice.

    5. Coco Crisp. Again, like Helton, another guy who was WAY high on the projection points list but fell to me for some unknown reason. Since we must player OF to a specific position (LF/RF/CF) with only one extra OF spot (any position in OF) I really liked to not only draft great value players but ones who can play more than one position. This is a daily, next day, roster change league so the more flexibility I have the better.

    6. Mark Loretta. I needed a 2b and just about all of the solid ones were gone. I didn't want to reach for a 2b early in the draft and at this point, Loretta was ranked much higher than half the 2b who were drafted. Nothing sexy about this one but he should be solid a nice producer with the Sox.

    7. Jason Giambi. This is where the "when things start to get watered down in regards to talent, take the ON BASE GUY". When guys like Gomes, Lowry, Rowand, Dempster are getting drafted before/around me, I really think Giambi is a damn solid pick here. HR counts as 4 points and you get points for walks and intentional walks so I liked this pick.

    8. J Gibbons. I was going to draft him a round early but his ranking is so incredibly (~1000 ranked?) low that I felt like I could take a chance and was I estatic to get him! He was ranked so much higher on my pts list it wasn't even funny. I knew at that point that nobody was using HQs projections or he would have been drafted at this point. Love that he plays multiple positions as well. What a treat.

    9. Kelvin Escobar. No, I am not a LAA homer but like KROD, he was a top tier pitcher still left on the board. I also liked the fact that he can play in any P postion: RP/SP/P so just in case I ended up with tons of SP or needed flexibility when Kelvin starts, I can plug him in anywhere.

    10. Mike Sweeney. I should have drafted a Catcher here but didn't and am praying that Sween won't get injured again. Big upside if he is re-energized.

    11. F Liriano. Was surprised he lasted this long, given the amount of pitchers drafted but looking back, I should have drafted a Catcher. The reason I didn't was because most of them fell in a tier and didn't produce that many points so why overreach?

    12. Reggie Sanders. Another "player who was ranked much much higher and isn't getting any love" player that I was very happy to snatch up. Currently my LF/CF/RF/OF looks like this:

    Reggie Sanders - LF
    Coco Crisp - CF (also can play LF)
    J Gibbons - RF (can also play 1b)

    Not shabby for a 20 team league I think.

    13. Khalil Green - highest on board and "just in case" I don't want to plug in a terrible SS.

    14. DeJesus
    15. Juan Rivera
    16. C Qualls
    17. T. Hall (must take since I needed a C starter)
    18. J. Vargas
    19. D. Miller (one of the last starting catchers)
    20. Carrasco
    21. J Thomson
    22. C. Wang (getting a starting pitcher for the Yankees in the 22nd round? I'll take it)
    23. Villone (hope to snag a lot of cheap HLDS)
    24. Woody Williams (wanted to target SP in solid pitcher's parks and/or solid middle relief pitchers)
    25. C. Burks. I like the fact that he can play so many positions and ALL it would take is for an injury for him to really be a nice sleeper pick here.
    26. Greinke. Should not have taken him but with so many DL spots, at worst, I can stick him there and pick up someone else off the heap.
    27. Witasick.
    28. Jerome Williams
    29. Antonio Perez. Can play filler for 2b/3b/SS/CI/MI/Util spot.
    30. C. Vargas

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  • NICK@HQ
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    Ah, that I've never done. My points based league is an auction league. I will say that I've had the most success in this league when I've spent more on pitching than LIMA would say to do, and had the worst time of it when I went pure LIMA. So from that I would guesstimate that you need to move up the drafting of starters just a bit earlier than normal.

    If the draft plan around here is to go offense offense offense early, with maybe one closer, and to get your starting pitching late in the draft, I would suggest instead that you keep an eye on when the reliable starters start to be taken off the board and then make sure you get one. Then when the middle guys go, get one then too.

    You have to get the categories (ERA, HR, etc.) out of your mind. In this league, it's all about points, not competing in categories. So if the best guy on the board as far as point projections is a reliable starting pitcher, that's your guy. As I said, I've never done a straight draft in a points based league, but if I were I would rank by points and make sure I was grabbing the guys at positions where the dropoff in points is the most extreme. If that was at starting pitcher, I'd be grabbing pitchers.

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  • RAY@HQ
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    Question 1: once you do your spreadsheet magic, does the system seem to "favor" hitting over pitching or vice-versa? How does the point value of a Pujols compare to a Santana? That will tell you how to structure your draft.

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  • RKade
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    when's a good round to start drafting pitchers in a points system league like this? Typically, I don't draft pitchers until late but have never been in a pts league before.

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  • NICK@HQ
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    Don't put OBP in the formula, but do be aware that once all the top hitters are off the board there will now be players who have "flaws" left. Maybe not enough power, or slow, whatever. When you get to that stage, a guy who takes a lot of walks is actually more valuable than people in your league will realize. So just keep in mind that you want to favor guys with good Eye/OBP numbers. It's a guideline, not a rule.

    Errors are not projected, and neither are Holds. You can ignore them, or you can to to ESPN and see who got lots of Holds last year and see if you can extrapolate any of them to repeat this year (same role on the team, etc.). Once the closers are off the board, look at this list of middle relievers and realize they do have some value, especially if they get Ks and don't issue too many Walks.

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  • RKade
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    Originally posted by Nick
    Ray is right, you can just take the Excel files themselves. Then create a new column called Points that adds and subtracts all of those stat modifiers for each row. Then you can sort on Points (or sort on Position and then Points within that position) to see who stacks up as your best bets to draft.

    You might want the Valuator to see proper R$ values for your league's parameters, but frankly you can create your own R$ values once you have a ranked list of players.

    Tips: A BB is as good as a Single, so high OBP guys are good to have even if they don't have much pop.

    You lose a point for errors. Upton is not going to be your #1 minor leaguer...

    What gives you the most points, by far? Right, Wins. Look for starting pitchers who are on good teams, and also middle relieving vultures. Those points will win your league. Go for double starts each week as much as you can (unless you have Pedro or someone with one start). Those double starts will be key to winning each week.

    Thanks for the tips Nick. I don't think errors are in the player's projection worksheet though.
    Would you recommend me adding something in the formula for OBP? I am thinking about incorporation some sort of ratio but drawing a blank at the moment.
    Will definitely use the 'double start' and begin to snag up MRP who will vulture up wins.
    Any other things you spot let me know, great stuff again!

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  • RKade
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    gotit
    Last edited by RKade; 03-20-2006, 04:47 PM.

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  • NICK@HQ
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    The player projections do include 2B and 3B. Labeled "D" and "T" but they are there.

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  • RKade
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    Thanks guys and sorry for the pretty obvious answer to my question.

    By the way, wasn't 2B and 3B on the player projection sheet at some point? Since this league counts singles, doubles, trips I would love to add them in..

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  • RAY@HQ
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    Right, what Nick said... don't adjust each individual column, just create one new column that does a *really* long calculation that accounts for each way of scoring a point.

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